I Think I Have It All Figured Out

Beethoven –Piano Sonata #14 in C#min

Classical music !!

How can you not love it ?!?

I suppose there are folks that do not fully appreciate the healing effects of good music. Truly GOOD music and not some of the crap that is out there in this day and age. Certainly what passes for true music has changed over the years.

Just as ALL things change.

I guess the most troubling change that has taken place in the last ten years or so is the move towards a completely secular society. Make no mistake ! I am not saying that my religion should be preferred over another BUT it is just as absurd for those pushing for a  completely secular society to expect all religion to be admonished and eradicated in the guise of  ” progress “ . I tell you this and no hyperbole intended. The consensus  (among the atheists I have actually talked to ) is that the world would be better off without religion !! I mention this because I’m sure that a number of people will read my statement about eradicating religion in the name of ” progress ” and feel I’m being unfair to atheists.

I can not tell you the number of times an atheist has said to me that the world would be better of without religion and then attempt to justify such bigotry by stating religion inhibits scientific progress and teaches incorrect information about the world. Of course, I generally remind the person talking that they are referencing a fundamentalist position,which a great percentage of Christians do not adhere to nor is there any logical reason to levy such accusations against them.

Most atheists say ” there is no atheist agenda ”  but I beg to differ. After being exposed to David Silverman ( president of American atheists Group ) who alone admits that his group strives to ” free closeted atheists and let them know they are not alone “. Admirable, you may say. It might be if that were the extent of American atheists agenda but that is far from it. They also wish to be heard in the political circles,as well and they went so far as to start the ” AtheistVoter  campaign.” According to American atheists website the campaign ” is just one way we’re working to normalize atheism in the public discourse and encourage more atheist to be open and vocal about their atheism, especially at the ballot box.”

I see, so they want religion removed from government BUT on the website it is very clear what they want. This quote is from the webpage. ” We oppose the special treatment of one religious perspective over any other, or over non-religion. “ but if you listen to David Silverman on Fox News or other news programs he is not subtle at all about wanting religion to be a thing of the past. It would seem that David is counting on, eventually, having an atheist majority in congress. Hmmm….

Equally troubling is the fact these atheists are very influential on the young and confused YouTube community and the younger crowd eats it up because they have this guy telling them ” Do what you want because there is no magic sky-daddy to answer to”. Well,of course they are going to like that because I would have liked it in my teenage years. Even though I got far,far away from God around 17 or 18 years of age I never became an a-theist and I am thankful that I had enough within me to come back to God and desire that relationship with Him ( which is always a work in progress ) but I feel that I am getting closer and closer to Him and He has proven Himself to me. Quite frankly, God sure doesn’t need ME to defend Him but for some reason every time I hear someone say ” God is fiction ” or ” God is an evil monster ” and my favorite ” I have better morals than the Christian God ” it kick starts this Incredible Hulk like metamorphoses within me and I go !

Strangely enough I have noticed a disturbing number of events unfolding over the last few years. I think they relate to one another and certainly relate to the “non-existent” atheist agenda ( or progressive agenda,which I am sure is also non-existent ) that I see being built-in our society. Consider:

  • attempts to remove ANY acknowledgment of the Christian faith ( Islam is okay,though ) when it comes to the public square.
  • its been suggested that references to homosexuality be removed from the Holy Bible and branded as hate speech !
  • atheists attempting to replace honest inquiry with mockery and “you really believe that stuff”- type insults when the other person is really at the same place the atheist was at one point in time. As if to say ” you cannot even CONSIDER a religious position a serious position.
  • strong-arm tactics to force a person to accept ones position or be admonished a bigot or homophobe!

So to sum it up. I feel the progressives and atheists are trying REAL hard to remove the religious influence, especially from children. If you notice that’s the one thing that quite a few of the atheists get real bent about. If its even suggested that you take your child to church you are indoctrinating them and according to their logic its the same as child abuse. CHILD ABUSE?? I guess it does not take a wizard to understand that they want to get to the kids FIRST! I have heard a few say “We want to teach them about logic at a young age so they will never have to be de-programmed.” So, right away we see that the “athesprogs” have an agenda of their own BUT…..their agenda is noble. Riiiiight !!

A few closing words on separation of church and state.

“I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people who declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.”

When Thomas Jefferson wrote his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association he never intended the words “Separation of Church and State” to be taken out of context and used as a substitute for the First Amendment, but for all practical purposes is what the courts have done.

   If actions speak stronger than words, it is interesting to note that 3 days after Jefferson wrote those words, he attended church in the largest congregation in North America at the time. This church held its weekly worship services on government property, in the House Chambers of the U.S. Capital Building. The wall of separation applies everywhere in the country even on government property , without government interference. This is how it is written in the Constitution, this is how Thomas Jefferson understood it from his letter and actions, and this is how the men who wrote the Constitution practiced it.
     While the words “Separation of Church and State” do not appear in the U.S. Constitution, they do appear in the constitution of the former U.S.S.R. Communist State

The metaphor of a “wall of separation” comes from a letter President Thomas Jefferson penned to a group of Baptists in Danbury, Connecticut—a dozen years after the Constitution and Bill of Rights were ratified. The phrase is not mentioned in the Constitution’s text or in any of the debates leading to its ratification.

♣  forbidding an official establishment of religion is something quite different from the much looser, imprecise term “separation of church and state.” The Constitution only forbids government sponsorship and compulsion of religious exercise by individual citizens. It does not require hermetic “separation”—implying exclusion—of religion and religious persons from public affairs of state.

 

Thank you for reading. Now,go spread the word !

7 Ways to Hold Space For Those You Disagree With

Rather interesting writing, I must say. A different take on Romans 14 and one I e had trouble with because of the whole ” both could be right ” but that’s primarily from atheists that tend to be guilty of that black and white thinking that won’t allow for ” both are right “. It’s something to consider, in my opinion and I hope some atheists can accept that possibility too.

Colby Martin

Holding Space

Unless you’re part of a fundamentalist cult, then good luck finding a faith community where everyone believes the same thing.

Granted, some churches are more homogenous than others. Certain theological perspectives have narrower views of what it means to be a Christian, and as a result their churches are made up of people who mostly agree with one another (or, mostly agree with the lead pastor). Other theological perspectives are inherently more open due to their broader understanding of what is (and isn’t) important, which can make for a more diverse church body.

Sometimes, though, it is easier to talk about and idealize diversity of belief within a church body than it is to actually live in to it. The risk of proclaiming that your church “holds space” for everybody, and that everyone is welcome no matter their creed, is that then you might actually get people in your…

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What Have We Learned?

I don’t know about you but I was always taught that one of the reasons we are on this planet is to learn about and from one another. Sometimes I think as a species we have not learned very much. Sure, we’ve made advancements in various areas but one can be “book smart” and have no life experience and as a result no “walking round” sense. I would like to share with you some of my “walking round” experience that I gained from 44 years of life in a booming southern town.

  •  Just when I think I’ve learned something I soon find out that I really haven’t learned anything at all. [okay, corny but true]
  • Always say my prayers and take my vitamins [thanks Hulk Hogan].
  •  It’s hard not to do but try not to judge an entire group by the idiocy of one person.
  •  If someone doesn’t like your comment on Facebook or upvote your latest picture it’s not the end of the world.
  •  Always bet on black.
  •  If you have at least one person that you think the world of and that person thinks the world of you then you are a very blessed person indeed [thank you, my brutha–you know who you are]
  • Thanks to my father and his career I have traveled all over the United States and lived in Hawaii for about 3 years but no where in this world are there prettier women than in the state of Tennessee!
  • Pain is not something that always goes away. Sometimes you just have to find a way to ease the pain enough so that you can function. The way to do that is NOT with alcohol.
  • Take what you’ve learned and share it with others. You might accidentally wind up helping somebody else.

I’ve been introduced to Richard Cranium

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Okay, I know some of you are tired of “atheist themed blogs” but bear with me as this deserves sharing . First let me ask the theists out there a question. l

how does one keep their testimony online?

I must share with you a comment that sums up a hopefully small percentage of atheists “true” opinion of theists.
I must say that one issue theists have with atheists is that they can’t live out their atheism! In other words a lot of atheists aren’t consistent with their atheism and the YouTube atheist you are going to read in a moment is coming close to living out his atheism in a consistent way. I guess in that respect I should point out that at least he is being honest in that atheism represents (to him ) the values outlined in his comment.

I sincerely apologize for the coarse language but it’s an important part of the point I’m trying to make which is that there is a percentage of atheists out there that hate Christians . I don’t mean that it’s just a disagreement in philosophies rather I mean this YouTube atheist trulyhates Christians!! Was such a comment “necessary” to make his point? Of course not!! It’s just inflammatory hate speech! Notice the post! I’m not making assumptions about this guy. He admitted several times that had he “hated” me on the basis that I’m a Christian !

Alright then. I accept that there are certain, shall we say not like minded folks that are simply full of hate and rage and really need therapy. I must also question a few things but one thing that has always puzzled me is why the back and forth commentary I have had with atheists includes,not just swearing, but a whole new level of creative discourse. I use that word creative as loose as I possibly can. These days it seems expected that the bulk of conversations I have with atheists are going to include swearing a blue streak on YouTube for that special sociopath in-training.
I’m sorry did I say sociopath? Oops, I didn’t mean to “offend” anyone. Just forget I said that, m’kay?
Moving on—
I wont release the name of the YouTube channel that these comments are written on but you better believe that in the 21st century this type of militant behavior is all too common. Strangely enough the militant atheism carries with it an unusual type of “acceptable behavior”. What I mean by that is illuminated in one of the social network sites dedicated to atheism. It seems that for this particular group of online atheists that its more offensive to say to someone ” I’ll pray for you ” than it is to say ” F**k you “. Now, I know this may seem weird to a lot of readers ( as it seems weird to me ) but the atheists were very descriptive when I asked them to further illuminate to someone like me exactly why ” I’ll pray for you ” was so offensive. Do you know what the most common response to this was?
In a nutshell I was told ( not in so many words ) that if I had to ask why then I was not smart enough to carry on a conversation with anyone on that site and it was suggested that I seek answers to ” dumb questions ” on another site that was tolerant of ” ignorant Christians “.
Okay,now that you have a better idea of what I’m dealing with here let me introduce you to the subject of this blog. I had found what I thought might be an interesting site since the title alone was what you might call aggressive and encourages the ” herd ” mentality that is present in every group of people no matter what you believe. I decided to read the ” ABOUT ” section to get a better idea of this persons intentions. What I read was essentially a short attack on religion ( this site was focusing on Christianity,of course ). I decided to comment on what I had read.
This was my only comment to him:
(Sigh) and they say Christians are full of hate! It’s obvious you have far more hate than love for your fellow man that disagrees with you. Sorry that talk of heaven from grow-ups is somehow nipple pinching for you but part of being a “grown up” is dealing with a worldview that is different than yours without resorting to hateful commentary

Granted, this comment,while not exactly fury inducing to most people, was apparently fury inducing to the author of this site.
This was his response to me:

Actually, sigh, they say christians are full of love. I SHOULD be full of hate when it comes to dealing with the likes of internet shit bags like you, who pop out of the wood work, unannounced and think that their petty little opinions are worthy of being heard. They aren’t. You are a time wasting scum bag who needs to sit down and shut up, and definitely get the fuck off my channel.

We SHOULD hate you. That’s the point. You are deserving of scorn, mockery and hatred. No, actually part of being a grown up is to stop being a pussy ass little bitch and call people out for their destructive, disgusting, false, child abusing fuckery.
Let me know when you’ve reached that point. Actually, fuck off and die and never return to my channel.

DING DING DING

You can imagine that reading this was met with a combination of humor and anger. A part of me says ” why is this bothering you? This person behaved exactly like you thought he would albeit a bit more on the hateful side than normal.”
My first response was to respond with the anger that I felt. What did I say that inspired such a hateful comment? Nothing! However, I must once again look at who I’m dealing with. I sketched a probable description of the person that was talking so hateful to me. He was probably between 13 and 25 years of age ( but more than likely a teenager ) who was PISSED OFF at his mom and dad because they made him go to church and he didnt like it plus he was tired of mom and dads rules and he sure didnt need the church or some god telling him what to do! He was fixing to be 18 and when that happened he was getting a place with his best friend so he didnt have to listen to ANYBODY!!!
Now,I may be wrong about the description but the sad truth is i have seen the exact same thing so many times before. I was not concerned with being a counselor but I was very concerned about one thing.

How does one keep their testimony online?

This is not an easy accomplishment,at times. I find myself struggling every day to keep my Christian testimony. It is one of the hardest things to do ( except for maybe exercising faith ) and I’ll be the first to admit that I fail at this on a daily basis but the point is I want to try and change that. Who cares if I am nice and kind to someone in my family or a person I love ? The point is to show Christian love to those that not only hate you but wish to see you eradicated from planet earth. So, I ask you–How do I deal with this ongoing problem? How do I show love to someone that is online?
I would love to hear your thoughts and ideas on this. If you are not a Christian I really hope to hear from you because I am wanting to gather thoughts and ideas from EVERYONE ( and that includes atheists and agnostics ). Tell me how I should have handled this situation? Please dont respond with “ignore them” or along those lines because the point is I dont want to ignore the situation. I want to at least attempt to do something good in this persons life but how can i do this in the cyberworld??

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Tonight at 8 PM Eastern: live-streaming of William Lane Craig on the Kalam Cosmological argument

This would have been great to catch! Wish I had known last night!

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Dr. Craig is speaking on the kalam cosmological argument on Monday night at the Georgia Institute of Technology.

There will be a live-stream here.

Details:

What happened at the beginning of time? Dr. William Lane Craig will be using science and philosophy to pain a picture of what happened, and discuss how the implications should rule our lives. Dr. Craig is considered one of the world’s experts on this topic, so you won’t want to miss it! Door open at 8!

Time: Monday, March 3, 2014 at 8:00 pm to 9:30 pm EST

Here’s what Dr. Craig said about this event on Facebook:

Monday night I speak at Georgia Tech on the kalam cosmological argument. I plan to expand on things said in the Carroll debate.

Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/1469808433242091/

The Craig-Carroll debate

If you missed the Carroll debate, you can watch the video here:

That’s the debate, here’s the concluding remarks:

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How good are the atheistic arguments of Christopher Hitchens?

Great blog and key points in Christian debating.

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I thought that I would go over an opening statement from a previous debate featuring Christopher Hitchens to find out what atheists are like in debates. I used his opening speech from his debate with Frank Turek. The audio from that debate is here, at Brian Auten’s Apologetics 315 site.

Now the important thing to remember about a generic debate on whether GOD EXISTS is that there should be no mention of any particular God, such as the Christian God, and no mention of the history of any particular religion. All arguments that assume specific theological or moral doctrines or specific religious history are irrelevant to a debate on generic theism.

The question being debated is: does a God who created and designed the universe, who has all the traditional properties of God, such as omniscience, omnipotence, omni-benevolence, etc. exist? That is the question being debated in a “Does…

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Why are agnostics more logical than atheists?

Okay, I’ll be the first to admit when it comes to spiritual matters I’m still learning. I don’t pretend I have it all figured out. In fact, it’s more honest to say I am learning new things on a daily basis.However, it is assumed by certain members of the non-believing community that just because I identify as a Christian that I am supposed to:

  1. Have it all figured out ( never met a Christian THAT arrogant but HAVE met a few non believers that ARE that arrogant )
  2. Have set beliefs that can NEVER change or be discarded altogether.
  3. Must accept the Old Testament along with the New Testament.
  4. Believe in the literal Genesis account.

Well,most of you will be thrilled to hear that neither I nor my fellow Christians have it all “figured out” and anyone who makes believe that they do is a very skilled liar. For Pete’s sake we are just fellow human beings trying to learn something in this  journey called life. If someone thinks that their spiritual beliefs equals “special revelation” they are fooling themselves. I have friends that do indeed feel that being a Christian means they know things that others do NOT know and I guess in one way that is true but not in the way that is implied. The only knowledge we as Christians can have is spiritual knowledge revealed in the Bible. The minute we start thinking that our preacher or our priest is the key to unlocking the mind of God is when we are at the starting line for heartache and potential spiritual collapse ( which will happen because preachers are still fallen men that will let you down ).

I’m not going to start quoting Bible verses at this point because I think most of you don’t need to read a Bible verse to illuminate the point I just made. We as Christians love to do that ( quote Bible verses to establish our point ) but sometimes we don’t need to add seasoning to a dish that already tastes good without it. Okay, now that we have established that Christians don’t have it all figured out let me be the first to also refute the notion that we can’t change our lifelong held beliefs. I am living proof that you can indeed have lifelong beliefs about a number of subjects and through rational inquiry come to realize that maybe that’s not the way things really were (or are). I think Richard Dawkins was the biggest proponent of the “you- believe- this- because- you- were- born- here” idea,which may not have as much validity to it as once thought. I come back to the obvious question. Well, Mr Dawkins,it would seem that you yourself are not a product of your environment but you are willing to assume that everyone else will be a product of their environment?? Dawkins FAIL!

Concerning the Old Testament. The Bible is a collection of books written over a 1500 year period and it’s perfectly acceptable in the rational mind that God gave me to make the claim that I don’t HAVE to accept anything and that includes the Old Testament. Point number one is that not paying much mind to the Old Testament doesn’t make me a heretic but for some reason atheists love to try to use this in debates. The notion that somehow not accepting the Old Testament as a whole is just “silly and cannot be done if you are a Christian”. To the atheists that like to argue this point with me I simply refer them to the “atheist manifesto” and ask them if their own personal outlook as an atheist reflects the points made in the “atheist manifesto”?? “No , you say?” Ohhhh,well since atheism isn’t a religion that somehow means it is exempt from the very criteria you yourself use?? ” Whatsattt?? You mean atheism does not represent beliefs but rather non-beliefs?” Ohhh,so you don’t have beliefs when it comes to God/god(s) but rather non-beliefs? Well,in my opinion ( and probably a whole lot of others opinions ) it would seem you are not really an atheist since you are claiming you hold non-beliefs ( which I wont point out the obvious logical problem with that statement ) because the term atheist when used in the usual sense of the word would mean you “do not believe in god or gods” not that you “hold on to a non-belief”. When you state it like the latter it’s not even a real statement but rather a psychological position. Oh yes,I know that some atheists will try to use any number of nonsense to get out of saying that you “don’t believe in God” or God forbid the old “God doesn’t exist” because you have no way to show that what you believe is true. Theists have ALL kinds of logical arguments that support the existence of God (notice I didn’t say we had proof) and yet atheists try to use every tactic in the book to get out of justifying their position.

Now,I said all that to say this: why are agnostics generally so much more pleasant to talk to and more enjoyable to be around? If the only thing that separates atheists and agnostics is the amount of fever in which one believes their propositions about God/gods then it would seem the agnostics would be just as confrontational and just as invective as atheists but in my experience that is not the case. I recently became “internet friends” with an agnostic man who is in his early 60’s. This man is one of the nicest most polite people I have ever come across. I wish like crazy I could meet this man in person if for no other reason than to shake his hand and thank him for reminding me that when we think we have it all “figured out” someone comes along and reminds me that I don’t have it all figured out and no one has really won the race. What I do know is that there is seemingly a demonstrable difference between agnostics and atheists in general. Maybe the agnostics feel they aren’t fighting for one side or the other so there is no reason to be a bunghole. I must say its nice to get on SH and not be called “irrational” “stupid” and “dangerous” because I am a Christian. That one little spark of joy in between all the nonsense and name calling reminds me that there really are people out there that are different minded but are just as wonderful to be around as the like-minded (sometimes even MORE wonderful ) and I must thank you JHK because you are truly what I would call a great man and its a privilege to call you “friend”!!